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Naa

Do you remember to breath when you get anxious. I'd forget to breath, and worse I'd get tunnel vision. But I'm agoraphobic too. I'm fine now but new things do make me anxious still but that is all they do. No symptoms. No panic.

Last winter I drove for three hours in a snow storm twice to get to appointments. Now that was anxious (and almost in the ditch or into signs). No problems other than poor visibility. Oh and was it slippery, even with studded tires. I'd do it again.
But not if I didn't have to.

Davit

Ps. a lot of people get the same reaction you do.
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I can tell I am going to panic because my stomach gets that knotted feeling, my arm and chest muscles start to stiffen and tighten and then the palpitations and breathlessness follows. With a really bad episode my hands start shaking as well. 
Excitement typically starts in my chest and then breathlessness but no palpitations. I was shopping recently and hit really excited about a deal. All of a sudden I started to panic... That was really confusing. 

I leave on Wednesday. I will have Internet access but it might be sporadic at best.
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Hi Naa, 

That's a really good question and I wonder if other members have felt the same way?
How do you typically experience excitement?  What has been your main symptoms of panic? 
When you start to feel 'out of control' try to focus on physical symptoms that are present.  How is your breathing patterns?  Do you feel short of breath or is there a lump in your throat?  Do you begin to sweat?  Any uncomfortable feelings in your stomach?  When you notice a physical symptom, then try to connect it to the thoughts you are experiencing.  Focus on where you feel discomfort and breathe into it.  I imagine if you are excited these symptoms will fade more quickly.  Furthermore, your thoughts may be connected more to worry or conjuring up memories that have triggered panic in the past...  
These are just some thoughts on what the difference may be.  
I'm curious to know thoughts from other members...  
When do you leave for your trip again?  Will you have some internet access?
Vincenza, Health Educator
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Hi Vincenza
I feel a little better this evening but I think I have some anticipatory anxiety. Wondering when the next one will hit. 
I am excited about the trip to see family and friends. Sometimes I think my body confuses excitement with panic. How do I make it see the difference???
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Davit
Thanks for your insight and advice. I have read and re-read it and have bookmarked it. I get how channelling the initial excitement can help calm things down but i just dont know how to go about it. well I do a little. I am looking forward to seeing my mum in particular. 

I am a little excited about my trip. It's to visit family and friends. I guess part if the worry is that I don't want them to worry about me if/ when I have a panic attack. And I worry about where support will come from. There is such a stigma surrounding mental disorders there. 

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Hi Naa, 

Hope you're feeling better this evening!  Some great advice from Davit. 
He mentioned a powerful concept regarding memory and association, in particular, thinking of planning your trip to Africa and how you felt at that time.  
Feel free to share that feeling with us.  What inspired you to travel to Africa?  What an incredible experience you will have!  Enjoy every moment!
Vincenza, Health Educator
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Journalling is like ironing clothes. It is just to straighten things out in your mind and help build positives in your memory. Some people do keep a little notebook to write in so they can do a comparison.  But it isn't necessary. Mostly it is to interrupt the confused thought that comes with panic. Because unless you do look at the way you are thinking you won't realize it is illogical. Logical thought is a reason for panic in the form of fight or flight. And this is okay because you can look at it and say whether there is reason to fear or not. Illogical thought or thoughts that are only partially there don't give you this option unless you can see them for what they are. So you write them or try to write them to show them for what they are and then you can make them go away.

An example: I would wake feeling trapped, often the trigger was a dream of a confined space. The condition that set off the trigger was tangled covers or a heavy feeling from eating too late. Now realize I have spent time in confined spaces working and it didn't bother me. But the thought is different. I can make it quite bad with some "what ifs". (I can do this watching a movie) (see in an actual situation you have parameters, it is what it is. In panic it is anything you can imagine it is) So the thoughts would be worse case scenarios. I would journal to say to myself, this is not possible, I would never get into this situation or this could not possibly happen. Mostly, this is not happening. But first I had to cut through the fog of a confused thought. Fear was trying to close the thought and hide from it yet panic was trying to keep it open. Writing was almost impossible. As soon as I could break the illogical thought it was gone. Memory has a lot of things to use to build this false thought. Movies or news stories of things I never actually experienced so I have no way to know if the feeling is true. Only that they scare me. And of course the panic thought recycles back to memory to be used again with the next trigger. Which became "I will panic at 2 am." so I did. And this thought triggered the claustrophobic thought that wasn't there till then. Just like it is trying to do now because this subject is related to buried negatives I still have and always will, they are forever in memory. But I'm awake, and they are not true so they have no effect, they just are. On top of all that I had to add "this is not a heart attack" and "I am not going to pass out" ETC. What ever the sensation was at the time. A lot to try to fix with just thought. So you write it and read it and say it aloud for reinforcement. And it works. Because this too is CBT. This too is changing thought patterns.

It might be a bit soon but you would have been better to induce the panic attack during the day and get it over with than to fight it. You will do this a little farther down the road in exposure to see how well you have the skills in place to handle it. Don't worry, by then you will be able to shrug them off. Just like I am doing right now.

Once you have a panic attack you have the potential to have another, once you have CBT you have the potential to never panic again. Now that you are on the road to recovery you have to stay till you do, and you will.

You have an association in memory you can use. Africa trip <====> the way you were when you planned it. Use thoughts and memories of then to cope with now. I'd start now even. Day dream about how good it was and how good it will be again.  When ever you are not panicking remember it is because you don't have to. Ever.

Davit.

Ps. I guess my place is my sanctuary. I don't fit well elsewhere, and I don't have to so why try. 

One other thing take your pills with you even if you never use then but use them if you have to. This is an opportunity you want to really enjoy and you can. 
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Ah. There you are Davit.  Looks very peaceful in your santuary
 
I was actually asleep and woke up with a feeling of choking - like my throat was burning. Actually I had been anxious all day - it kept coming in waves and I was successful at warding off the panic attacks during the day but how does one cope with attacks that seemingly come out of nowhere - in your sleep?
 
I think I am a little anxious about the trip to Africa. It's a trip I planned 11 months ago when I didn't even know what an anxiety disorder was. Now I cant back out because it means losing a lot of money. I just have to find a way tell myself that all will be well...
 
I do fill out my anxious thoughts and panic attacks forms. Is that the same as journalling or do i need to get a notebook and start writing in that??? I feel a little overwhelmed right now.
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Naa

There are so many different degrees of panic attack. They all have a couple of things in common. Confusion that looks normal and symptoms and a fear but not usually of something obvious. So a person will fear something and it will bring on the symptoms or the other way around and there will be enough confusion that nothing you try works short of popping a pill. It can be very bad. They can last for hours with time loss seeming like only minutes when over but the clock says different. Mine were like that, lasting up to three hours. I was wore out from pacing up and down the driveway. This is all gone now except the memory. It has been gone for years. So here is my little storey.
I used to wake up every night at two in the morning in panic. My bathroom is heated but I would put on some cloths and wrap a blanket around me and quickly put the kettle on. (I always kept it full) I'd be sitting on the toilet shivering and wanting to get up and run away from I don't know what, just run. But I couldn't because I couldn't get away from the toilet. I'd been there quite a while when Theodore who was a young cat then came to visit me and curled up in my jogging pants and went to sleep. Well that did it. If he wasn't scared then there was nothing here to be scared of. It was just the confusion talking. So I tried the journalling. (on my computer) First thing I noticed during a bad attack was that I couldn't. The confusion was so bad I couldn't find the keys. I'd sit there with my blanket freezing and trying to type till finally I could type something. I'd type what I just experienced, I'd type my trigger and I'd tell my cat. And I'd read it. And always was the same thought, "I feel like crap but there is nothing to fear here". They slowly got better, lasting less time till they didn't happen any more. Toward the end I could just air right with my finger, not even getting up. Not even needing my cup of Lemon Balm tea. (half distraction, half sedative) And back to sleep. Definitely not needing any pills.
Previously I had been on Ativan for four years and was dependant. 

The mind is a powerful tool but when it decides on something like panic it can take a lot of work to convince it otherwise, but once you do, it doesn't forget and will use that road. All you have to do is make sure it stays on it. And you have to make sure it gets on it in the first place. So to start, all the skills and all the exercises and helpers are necessary but will become less so. Until you live a normal life with no more attacks. If I could be that bad and get over it anyone should be able to with a little determination. Determination was one thing I had.

Remember any out of place feeling can trigger panic. Eating something heavy late will wake me with agitation that I no longer turn into panic. Some Antibiotics do the same. Now it is just Annoying. No panic.

Africa, wow. Enjoy your trip. 

I remember that choking feeling, especially since I had damage to my throat from having a tube put down it. It too has gone away. Having Arthritis in my neck didn't help.

Davit

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Also wanted to say thanks for responding...

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